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Âîñêðåñåíüå, 19 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 01:35 + â öèòàòíèê
Ýêñïåðèìåíò, ñóòü êîòîðîãî äîëæíà áûòü ÿñíà èç òåêñòà:
Ýòî äîñòàòî÷íî íå ñëîæíûé òåêñò. ß æåëàþ ñåé÷àñ îñóùåñòâèòü ýêñïåðèìåíò. Èòàê, öåëü ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òîáû ïåðåâåñòè ýòîò òåêñò íà àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê ïðè ïîìîùè ïðîãðàììû ýëåêòðîííîãî ïåðåâîä÷èêà.
ß ïîäãîòîâèë ýòîò ñàìûé òåêñò íà ýñïåðàíòî è íà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå.
Ñåé÷àñ ÿ ïåðåâåäó èõ íà àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê ïðè ïîìîùè ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ àâòîìàòè÷åñêèõ ïåðåâîä÷èêîâ, íàéäåííûõ ìíîé â Èíòåðíåòå.
Òàê, ìîæíî áóäåò ïðîâåðèòü, êàêîé ïåðåâîä áóäåò áîëåå ïîíÿòíûì, áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûì.

Ýòîò æå òåêñò íà ýñïåðàíòî:
Tio ĉi estas sufiĉe nemalfacila teksto. Mi deziras nun eksperimenti.
Do, celo estas traduki la tekston al la angla lingvo per programo de elektronika tradukilo.
Mi preparis la saman tekston en Esperanto kaj en la rusa lingvo.
Nun mi tradukos ilin al la angla per la konformaj aŭtomataj tradukiloj, trovitaj fare de mi en la Interreto.
Do, eblos kontroli, kiun tradukon estos pli komprenebla, pli kvalita.

Ðåçóëòàòû ðàáîòû àâòîìàòè÷åñêèõ ïåðåâîä÷èêîâ:
Ðåçóëüòàò X
This is a sufficiently non-difficult text. I desire now to experiment. So, an aim is to translate the text to the English language with a program of an electronic translator. I prepare aed the same text in Esperanto and in the Russian language. Now I will translate them to English with the conforming automatic translators, found doally by me in the Internet. So, will be able to check up on, which translation will be more understandable, more qualitial.


Ðåçóëüòàò Y
It is enough not the complex text. I wish to carry out experiment now. So, the purpose consists in translating this text on English language by means of the program of the electronic translator. I have prepared this text on ýñïåðàíòî and in Russian. Now I shall translate them on English language by means of the corresponding automatic translators found by me on the Internet. So, it will be possible to check up, what translation will be more clear, better.


Ïåðåâîä÷èêè áûëè âçÿòû ñëåäóþùèå:
Ñ ðóññêîãî: http://www.translate.ru/text.asp?lang=ru
Ñ ýñïåðàíòî: http://www.lingvo.org/traduku/

Ïðîñüáà äàòü îòêëèêè ïî âàðèàíòàì X è Y (ñàì ÿ â àíãëèéñêîì ïî÷òè íè÷åãî íå ïîíèìàþ, õîòÿ, ê íåêîòîðûì âûâîäàì ÿ óæå ïðèøåë äàæå èñõîäÿ èç ñìîèõ ñêóäíûõ ïîçíàíèé...).

Åù¸ íåñêîëüêî online-ïåðåâîä÷èêîâ íàéäåííûå ìíîé â ñåòè (åñëè êòî ìîðæåò ïîïîëíèòü ñïèñîê ïðèñûëàéòå ññûëêè):
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
http://www.freetranslation.imtranslator.com/
http://www.langinfo.ru/index.php?div=6


Âîò åù¸ ññûëêà, ãäå ðàçíûå îíëàéí-ïåðåâîä÷èêè óäîáíî ñîáðàíû â âèäå îäíîé òàáëèöû:
http://community.livejournal.com/ru_translate/8020185.html?view=62405593#t62405593
Î÷åíü óäîáíî èñêàòü ïîääåðæèâàåìûå ÿçûêè.
Ìåòêè:  

Amisaq   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Ïîíåäåëüíèê, 20 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 22:46 (ññûëêà)
Íà ìíîãèõ íåìåöêèõ, òóðåöêèõ, êèòàéñêèõ è ïðî÷èõ óïàêîâêàõ áûâàåò èçðÿäíî õóæå. À âñå ðàâíî ïåðåâîä÷èê äóìàåò íà ýñïåðàíòî, ranslate to.

...traduki la tekston en la anglan lingvon

...to translate the text into the English language
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Maksimo   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Âòîðíèê, 21 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 11:57 (ññûëêà)
Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå Amisaq
À âñå ðàâíî ïåðåâîä÷èê äóìàåò íà ýñïåðàíòî, ranslate to.

...traduki la tekston en la anglan lingvon

...to translate the text into the English language

Ïðîñòèòå, ÿ íå çíàþ àíãëèéñêîãî, ïîýòîìó ñîâñåì íå ïîíÿë Âàø êîììåíòàðèé (çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì ýñïåðàíòî-ôðàçû :))
Êàñàòåëüíî å¸: êîíå÷íî ëó÷øå áûëî òàê íàïèñàòü en -n, íî ÷òî-òî ìíå ñòóêíóëî íàïèñàòü ÷åðåç al. Ïîêàçàëîñü, ÷òî è òàê ñîéäåò (âñïîìèíàåòñÿ çàìå÷àòåëüíûé ìóëüòèê ïðî ìûøåíêà, êîòîðûé êèðïè÷è óêëàäûâàë âî âðåìÿ îáåäåííîãî ïåðåðûâà ó ñòðîèòåëåé)
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Amisaq   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Âòîðíèê, 21 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 12:36 (ññûëêà)
Ïðîñòî ñ ýòèì ïåðåâîä÷èêîì âûøëî: ÷òîá ïîëó÷èëîñü ïî-àíãëèéñêè ïðàâèëüíî, "into English", ïðèøëîñü èñïðàâëÿòü è íà ýñïåðàíòî - "en la anglan".
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Maksimo   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Âòîðíèê, 21 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 14:33 (ññûëêà)
Amisaq, ïîíÿòíî, ñïàñèáî.
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Maksimo   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Âòîðíèê, 21 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 14:34 (ññûëêà)
Amisaq, Òàê êàêîé âàðèàíò ëó÷øå: X èëè Y? :)
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Amisaq   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Âòîðíèê, 21 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 15:00 (ññûëêà)
Ðàâíîöåííû, îáà ïåðåâîä÷èêà äóìàþò íà ñâîåì ÿçûêå: Õ - íà ýñïåðàíòî, Y - íà ðóññêîì, à òåêñòû ïîëó÷àþòñÿ íà ýäàêèõ esperenglish è runglish. Òåïåðü ÷åëîâåêó íóæíî ïðèäàòü ìàøèííîìó ïåðåâîäó ÷åëîâå÷åñêîå ëèöî :)
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
surawiku   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Ïÿòíèöà, 24 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 01:10 (ññûëêà)
Îáà àíãëèéñêèõ òåêñòà âåñüìà êðèâûå. Äàæå ê íåêîòîðîìó ìîåìó óäèâëåíèþ, ÿ áû îæèäàë îò ñîâðåìåííûõ ïåðåâîä÷èêîâ óæå ðåçóëüòàòîâ ïîëó÷øå...

Âïðî÷åì, òàêèå ïåðåâîäû ëüþò âîäó íà íàøó ìåëüíèöó.
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Irinjo   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Re: Àâòîìàòè÷åñêèå ïåðåâîä÷èêè Ñóááîòà, 25 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 09:39 (ññûëêà)
Èçâèíèòå, ÷òî ÿ íåìíîãî ïîçäíî îòâå÷àþ:(.
ß ðåøèëà ñíà÷àëà íå ÷èòàÿ ðåçóëüòàòà íà àíãëèéñêîì ïåðåâåñòè ýòîò òåêñò ñàìà è ïîòîì ñðàâíèòü ñ ðåçóëüòàòîì àâòîìàòè÷åñêîãî ïåðåâîä÷èêà.
Õîòÿ íå óâåðåíà, ÷òî ìîé ïåðåâîä íà 100% ïðàâèëüíûé, íàïèøó åãî çäåñü äëÿ ñðàâíåíèÿ.


Ýòî äîñòàòî÷íî íå ñëîæíûé òåêñò. ß æåëàþ ñåé÷àñ îñóùåñòâèòü ýêñïåðèìåíò. Èòàê, öåëü ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òîáû ïåðåâåñòè ýòîò òåêñò íà àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê ïðè ïîìîùè ïðîãðàììû ýëåêòðîííîãî ïåðåâîä÷èêà.

ß ïîäãîòîâèë ýòîò ñàìûé òåêñò íà ýñïåðàíòî è íà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå.

Ñåé÷àñ ÿ ïåðåâåäó èõ íà àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê ïðè ïîìîùè ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ àâòîìàòè÷åñêèõ ïåðåâîä÷èêîâ, íàéäåííûõ ìíîé â Èíòåðíåòå.

Òàê, ìîæíî áóäåò ïðîâåðèòü, êàêîé ïåðåâîä áóäåò áîëåå ïîíÿòíûì, áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûì.


È âîò ÷òî ïîëó÷èëîñü:

It is sufficiently not difficult text. I would like to do the experement now. So, object is translate the text to English language by a program of an electronic translator.
I prepared this text in Esperanto and Russian language.
I shall translate them in English whith the corresponding automatic translators which I found on the Internet.
So it will be to chek what translation will be more inelligible and more qualitial.

Íî ìíå ðåçóëüòàò X íðàâèòñÿ íåìíîãî áîëüøå. Õîòÿ îí è ñ "àìåðèêàíñêèì" "I will" - ìåíÿ íàó÷èëè ãîâîðèòü "I shall". È â íåì íåïðàâèëüíî îáðàçîâàíî ïðîøåäøåå âðåìÿ "I prepare". Âî âòîðîì - consist of - ñîñòîÿòü èç, ïî-ìîåìó, ýòî äëÿ âûðàæåíèÿ ñîñòàâà, à â ýòîì ñëó÷àå (ýêñïåðèìåíò ñîñòîèò â ...) ëó÷øå ñêàçàòü ïî äðóãîìó. È â îáîèõ - by me on the Internet è by me in the Internet - òîæå êàê-òî íå òàê...

LI 5.09.15
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Maksimo   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Âîñêðåñåíüå, 26 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 02:57 (ññûëêà)
Âàðèàíò X áûë ïîëó÷åí ïðè àâòîìàòè÷åñêîì ïåðåâîäå íà àíãëèéñêèé ñ ýñïåðàíòî.

ß ïðîâåë ïàðàëëåëüíî ñ ïóáëèêàöèåé â ñâî¸ì äíåâíèêå, îäíîèìåííûé îïðîñ íà íîâîì ñåðâèñå mail.ru "Îòâåòû"
Ïîñìîòðèòå, ÷òî èç ýòîãî òàì ïîëó÷èëîñü:
http://otvet.mail.ru/question/1134004/

Êðàòêî ðåçþìèðóþ: Îáà âàðèàíòà áàðàõëî, õîòÿ ñìûñë èñõîäíîãî òåêñòà â öåëîì ïåðåäàí âåðíî. Ïðè ïðÿìîì ñðàâíåíèè âàðèàíò X âûãëäèò ïîëó÷øå.
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Maksimo   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Âîñêðåñåíüå, 26 Íîÿáðÿ 2006 ã. 03:00 (ññûëêà)
Lio-nell, ñïàñèáî!
Æàëü íå ìîãó îöåíèòü êà÷åñòâî Âàøåãî ïåðåâîäà :)
Ìîæåò êòî èç ãîñòåé ñðàâíèò è âûäàñò êàêèå êîììåíòàðèè ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó...
 ñîñåäíåì ìîåì ïîñòå åñòü ññûëêà íà ïðîåêò Îòâåòû@mail òàì ìíå ïðèâåëè åù¸ îäèí "ìîäåëüíûé" âàðèàíò èñõîäíîãî òåêñòà. Ìîæåò áóäåò èíòåðåñíî ñðàâíèòü, êàê âëàäåëüöó ñâîåãî ñîáñòâåííîãî âàðèàíòà?
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
Maksimo   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Âòîðíèê, 09 ßíâàðÿ 2007 ã. 12:10 (ññûëêà)
Âîò åù¸ ññûëêà, ãäå ðàçíûå îíëàéí-ïåðåâîä÷èêè óäîáíî ñîáðàíû â âèäå îäíîé òàáëèöû:
http://community.livejournal.com/ru_translate/8020185.html?view=62405593#t62405593
Î÷åíü óäîáíî èñêàòü ïîääåðæèâàåìûå ÿçûêè.
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
mpeg_esperantisto   îáðàòèòüñÿ ïî èìåíè Ñóááîòà, 31 Èþëÿ 2010 ã. 07:54 (ññûëêà)
"Áåçóìñòâó õðàáðûõ ïî¸ì ìû ïåñíþ" Ì.Ãîðüêèé "Ïåñíÿ î áóðåâåñòíèêå"

ß ìàêñèìóì íà ÷òî ä¸ðãàþñü - ýòî íà ñîçäàíèå ïîäñòðî÷íèêà â ÏÐÎÌÒå.
Ñîçäàòü àäåêâàòíûé àëãîðèòì ïåðåäà÷è óïðàâëåíèÿ â ðóññêîì ÿçûêå íåðåàëüíî.
Êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ: çà äâóìÿ çàéöàìè ïîãîíèøüñÿ - íè îäíîãî íå ïîéìàåøü.
Ìîè îïûòû çäåñü:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/journalshowcomments.php...rnalid=2318248&go=prev&categ=0
ß èõ òåãîì "ìàøèííûé ïåðåâîä" îáúåäèíèë.
Îòâåòèòü Ñ öèòàòîé Â öèòàòíèê
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